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Kathryn's avatar

When I read this question I thought immediately to latest poem on Poetry Unbound, "What's Kept Alive," and my reaction to it. I loved the poem and the discussion about it. It's beautiful, the love in it is so full and deep. I could feel the joy of that love. And I also felt achingly sad. I was lying in bed as I listened, and tears rolled into my ears.

And that, for me, is the fundamental tension-- between joy and deep sorrow. Strangely, perhaps, the doorway to joy is most accessible to me through sadness and sorrow. It's the tragedy in my life, that I carry every day, that has broken my heart open. I'm learning to welcome the joy through the cracks. The poems I love the most bow deeply to both joy and sorrow. They hold that tension.

John Rufo's avatar

Thank you Kathryn. It's actually a great reminder to me that the door to joy is sometimes sorrow. Without darkness where is the light? A tension - a conundrum for sure.

Leanna Stoufer's avatar

So true. For me, joy and sorrow are sides of the same coin. I cannot hold one without also holding the other.

Tami A's avatar

Kathryn, you would love Ross Gay’s book Inciting Joy, it is all about this very thing - how Joy and Sorrow are deep companions. And, how we are all heartbroken in one way or another and the knowing and sharing of that is one of the ways we open to Joy. Thank you for sharing.

Hannah Ruth's avatar

Tami, yes!! I have not yet read Inciting Joy, but just today I was at the beach reading Ross Gay's Catalogue of Unabashed Gratitude and came upon his poem "Spoon". That one certainly holds joy and sorrow in tension within it. There was an extra tension for me in reading the poem, as I am currently in Hawaii for the first time, helping my friend clean and go through things at the house where they've lived for quite some time with their partner of 16 years. Their partner left them a few weeks ago for what seems to be the last time, and it has been a challenge to be patient and present for my friend's heartache, and stay gentle, and also encourage my friend in the practical work of sorting through possessions and organizing the house. When I read the poem, I was sitting near my friend at the beach and I felt at once very absorbed in the reading, but also sensitive to my friend's need for my presence and care. There was tension for me in my delight and inevitable chuckles about the spilling-over-joyful bits of the poem, while I knew my friend was sitting very near me and in much pain. For me, the past few weeks have been a time of learning to find balance between caring for a dear friend in need, and also caring for my dear and sensitive self.

Tami A's avatar

Thank you for sharing this Hannah. It is such an honor to accompany a friend through a difficult transition and important to also not lose yourself in the task. I’m glad you have Ross Gay’s wise, beautiful (and joyful) words with you.

Kathryn's avatar

Thank you Tami. I agree that Ross Gay is a poet much attuned to that tension. I haven't read Inciting Joy yet, but it's now on my list.

Mandy S. Twiny's avatar

Beautifully put, Kathryn. With age, experiences, a deeper knowledge of oneself, this tension seems to grow. ♥️

Christian Solorzano's avatar

the tension that arises in me as i plunge into poetry is a tension similar to that of pulling back a slingshot... with every word, i feel myself being pulled further and further back until finally, i am launched into an unimaginable place, a journey, a wild beginning... sometimes it is pleasant, other times it is not.

it’s like the tension one might feel before sitting to meditate. you’re nervous about what thoughts might arise and what new things you might discover about yourself.

John Rufo's avatar

A tension of anticipation I think. As a meditator and poetry reader, I know this tension. Thank you for calling it forth and naming it!

Missie E Cooper's avatar

A quote from The English Patient movie best describes the tension of poetry and beyond for me, remembering that poetry pulsates life—“When were you the happiest? he asks. “Now,” she replies. “When were you the saddest? he asks. “Now,” she replies.

chris cavanagh's avatar

Yes. Always true. And this reminds me of one of the final scenes in Ridley Scott's epic City of Heaven when Balian the Engineer has just surrendered Jerusalem to Saladin and asks, as they turn away from each other, "What is Jerusalem worth?." Saladin turns and says quickly, "Nothing." Balian is dismayed. Saladin, having taken a few steps further away, turns again, raises his two hands in a kind of salute, and says, "Everything," and turns away smiling. Balian almost smiles but, resigned, seems to let the weight of the world slip from his shoulders.

Missie E Cooper's avatar

That’s it! Everything. Nothing. All in a moment. Thank you for bringing your remembrance to my awareness.

J. Catherine Tetrault's avatar

For me, poetry is vulnerability. The tension between wanting to be truly "seen," and the quiet fear of feeling exposed. Pushing past my edges to find the tenderness.

Supria Karmakar's avatar

It does take courage to sit in that in between space- that tension - the exact space between, the joy of being hidden and the great sadness of never being found - in that space, courage, motivation and hope is birthed - if we lean into the fear and listen to it’s wish for us - that’s the sweet tension.

Gayle's avatar

there used to be these books, which I can't seem to find anywhere anymore, where there would be a picture, like a painting, say of the woods, but then if you were able to soft-focus your eyes in some particular, but unknowable-to-me way, you would go further into the picture and see a whole other world. Sometimes placing a piece of clear glass over the image would help, sometimes not. I have this tension with poetry, this knowing there is more to understand, to "see" beyond the words as they are laid on the page, and I feel blocked with the tension of not knowing exactly how to "un-focus" my pre-conceptions, or my lack of conceptions to be able to see what is there. Each time you, Padraig, "un-pack" a poem, I'm like, Of Course! This! and This! and This! but I'm lucky if on my own, I can find one thing to un-pack, to go, Ah, This! at least once. The other tension I hold is when I do "get" a poem and love it so much and want to share it, and people don't get it that much, or have time to have a conversation about it. How fast people jump from one thing to the next without allowing for a moment of "un-focus" and what might arise from that... A million thank you's for all this, and for your questions. Bowing to you. Love, Gayle

Leigh Lowe's avatar

Gayle, I can totally relate to what you wrote and greatly appreciate it. I am late to the table of reading and appreciating poetry, so I’ve got a lot of ground to make up. Padraig helps me so much with my journey towards openness and understanding.

Jen Morgan's avatar

my meditation teacher used to have these books handy as a playful assist to softening towards meditative mind and heart space.

Jenny Noble Anderson's avatar

Magic Eye Books! I had those too, Gayle:). What a cool way to illustrate accessiblity (or lack thereof!) when it comes to poetry.

Leanna Stoufer's avatar

Magic Eye books. They are wonderful for remembering that there is always something behind the facade.

Anya Royce's avatar

In my first career, I was a ballet dancer. Mastering the technique and the repertory was the part of it where you were in control but when you stepped through the wings in performance, you stepped into the unpredictable that happens in the interaction/tension with an audience and your “control” was shared with them. I find the same control and unbounded tension in my life as an ethnographer working now for more than 50 years with the Zapotec of Oaxaca, Mexico. I can define more or less what I see and hear and do but their stories are theirs and what is created is only partly mine. Writing poetry has the same tension for me. I may have an idea of where I want to go but find words and lines coming unbidden that change the course of the poem—I listen to those words and lines.

These tensions and surprises are often the heart of poetry. I want to suggest just one that caught me by surprise and still does each time I read it. It is from Seamus Heaney’s Postscript. The poem is a marvelous description of taking a drive out to the Clare coast, of all that one might see. But ends with the unpredictable last two lines:

“As big soft buffetings come at the car sideways

And catch the heart off guard and blow it open.” Heaney, Postscript.

Thank you for raising these questions!

Anya Royce

Colleen A's avatar

This is one of my favorite poems, too. Here you are, sitting calmly enjoying the quiet and beauty and then all of a sudden -boom! I love the surprise, the power.

Anya Royce's avatar

Yes! I have loved Heaney for a long time and especially this poem, especially after many drives in Co. Clare

Hannah Ruth's avatar

Anya, as a fellow dancer who has dabbled in dance ethnography and spent a bit of time in Oaxaca, I am glad to meet you here. Thank you for sharing.

Anya Royce's avatar

Thank you! Hopefully we can continue to share thoughts about these common experiences!

Leanna Stoufer's avatar

You remind me how much dance has in common with poetry.

Valerie Campbell's avatar

Oh my, this could be a long comment for sure. iI is this very tension that brings me to poetry, both to read and to write. It's being brought to learn something and then to unlearn it at the same time. And this happens in a different way each time I read a poem. For me, this tension is also about being in connection with others who are reading the same poem, because we are in the mystical place where our prayers bring us, and we are there together, soul to soul. I can't think of a thing more wonderful!

Amy's avatar

For me the tension in poetry is music. The tension between sound and silence, word and space. It is how they work and play together to reach raw truths and connect them with transcendent meanings. Ultimately the tension in poetry to me is the attempt of words and their music to deeply respect space and silence. That is where I find a fierce humility before life's tender mysteries: The tension between poignant glimpses of life's possibilities and insufficencies. Poetry, like music is always inadequate to the task and that is also what makes it so wholly magnificent. In judaism we call this keva קבע and kavana כונה- the tension between structure and spirit. Keva is what I often hear you Padraig refer to as a container. I love our human capacity to find containers which help express and give form to the spirit of things.

Mandy S. Twiny's avatar

YES! Thank you for putting these thoughts together and sharing them. :)

Dr. Dana Leigh Lyons, DTCM's avatar

The tension between getting down to the blood and bones of it...and drifting off into the ether.

Also, to quote Rilke, translated by Robert Bly: "Take your well-disciplined strengths and stretch them between two opposing poles. Because inside human beings is where God learns."

Jen Morgan's avatar

thank u. i was wondering why God made humans. now I know.

Leilani's avatar

I think for me, I find tension in the space around poetry:

I am drawn to write poems in large expansive places, on top of hills high up, or where I can see until the horizon. In theses places there is such a sense of space, of openness and freedom.

But what I write in these places comes from such a precise space; a memory, a feeling, a moment. Something that is so contained, asks for the word that might bring it into life.

So as I write each word I am aware of the tension between the massive and the compact. But I find the words almost feel like they are challenging any sense of discomfort in that tension. Like a bridge connecting two senses of space.

John Rufo's avatar

Oh my. As an architect / urban designer / painter type - tension between the massive and the compact really gets my brain moving. Thank you, Leilani!

Heidi Libesman's avatar

I wonder if the existential tension you beautifully depict is a variation of the ontological tension between identity and difference, being and becoming, immanence and transcendence at the paradoxical heart of being human? Are we not always until death do us part creatures of earth mingled with star-dust?

Ann A's avatar

You express that beautifully Heidi. I believe that great poetry brings us into awareness of that liminal space that we all inhabit

Heidi Libesman's avatar

Thank you so much Ann for your very kind comment and thought provoking observation.

Jenny Noble Anderson's avatar

Most recently, my poems have centered on my aging parents—longing for who they once were and grief over their inevitable deaths. The tension surfaces when presence grabs the other end of the rope—the side of me that insists on loving them as they are now, the side that insists I enjoy the time we still have left.

Some days it's an exhausting tug-of-war and other days, the flag sags over the puddle of mud while my two selves catch their breath. Regardless of how messy things become, poetry is always willing to host the match.

Toby Davis's avatar

Hi Jenny, I found the following book to be a kind mentor after my mother died, I wish I had read it before she passed.

'The Five Invitations' Discovering What Death Can Teach Us About Living Fully by Frank Ostaseski.

PS - My daughter is a Hospice nurse and has pulled a lot of the books teachings into her practice of care.

Jenny Noble Anderson's avatar

Toby! This book has a special place in my heart as well🤗. I recommend it often and love knowing we've both found comfort in the pages. The Omega Center magic lives on🍁.

Toby Davis's avatar

One of Frank’s lines that continues to stick with me is ‘on the other side of the sheet’. I find it both unsettling and grounding at the same time. The line reminds me there is a difference between the story of the event, and the event itself, in this case the event is dying

Patrick Watters's avatar

We stay, we wander, it’s all part of The Journey. Our poetry, our lives, reflect it all…joys and gratitude, lamentation and sorrow. (While I am outgoing introvert, I do enjoy and find comfort in my obscurity.) Everything has shaped us, but we must choose to embrace it…poetry helps us choose. }:- a.m.

Patrick Watters's avatar

The truth is I’m more storyteller than poet, but occasionally…

Sam Blackwell's avatar

Debussy said music is the space between the notes. Is poetry the space between the words, the tension between the known and the unknowable?

Amy's avatar

Yes I feel this too is where tension lies, when words and music attempt to respect the awesome power of space and silence,

Ann A's avatar

Love that - like the negative space in design x

John Rufo's avatar

Oh gosh. What a timely question. I've been struggling in recent weeks with your reading of David Whyte's "Leaving The Island". Not struggling with it as in... I didn't like your reading of it. Quite to the contrary. It made me realize that there is some poetry that I have a hard time accessing, and some poetry that I find immediately accessible. Recently I realized that there is a tension for me between the written language of the poem and the voice of the poem - or of the poet. I had a difficult time enjoying the poems in "The Bell and The Blackbird", but your reading brought me back to it. In short, I began reading it in your voice, Padraig, and BANG... it was newly accessible. I've heard David Whyte read many times, especially on On Being, and yet his voice did not work for me.

I had a similar but different experience in the last few years with Ada Limon. When I first began reading "Pretty Dead Things" I couldn't quite get it right in my head. I liked the language but couldn't here the voice in the poem. Then Ada took over on the Slow Down for Tracy K Smith and I began to absorb her voice through daily listening. Eventually I went back to Pretty Dead Things and could newly access it. What is this all about? Is it as odd as it seems if I access a poem through the voice of someone else or through the voice of that poet - rather than my own? I confess I feel a little guilty about this. It's not universal with every poet that I read. For example I don't have this issue with W.S. Merwin or Arthur Sze or Chrystal Williams or Donika Kelly... Help! What should I make of this?

Christine Crockett's avatar

This is interesting to me, John, because it poses what seems to be a political question--Is art satisfying because we recognize ourselves in it, or does it challenge and test our understanding of the world and others? Some poems resonate with more ease, a natural fit, a lovely recognition. The ones that feel less familiar require work, a voluntary commitment. No one is holding us to this task but ourselves, our faith in voice, truth, art. I admire your approach to Ada Limon, as it feels to me like an act of faith--a grappling with an unfamiliar voice in order to enrich your understanding of humanity. This embodies the tension of art.

John Rufo's avatar

Thanks Christine. I'm going to hold on to your words here - "...grappling with an unfamiliar voice in order to enrich your understanding of humanity. This embodies the tension of art." I think my paintings fall short when I go to quickly for the familiar resolution. I collaborated with my wife this past summer on an art installation. She was constantly slowing me down and forcing me to live with uncomfortable ideas and modes of work. Understanding a deeper voice and pushing the language to it's limits. Thank you again!

Leanna Stoufer's avatar

You mentioned David Whyte, and I recently heard someone share his essay on friendship, just at the moment I needed to hear it. I have found great resonance in the last paragraph, especially:

"Friendship transcends disappearance: an enduring friendship goes on after death, the exchange only transmuted by absence, the relationship advancing and maturing in a silent internal conversational way even if one half of the bond has passed on. But no matter the medicinal virtues of being a true friend or sustaining a long close relationship with another, the ultimate touchstone of friendship is not improvement, neither of the other nor of the self, the ultimate touchstone is witness, the privilege of having been seen by someone and the equal privilege of being granted the sight of the essence of another, to have walked with them and to have believed in them, and sometimes just to have accompanied them for however brief a span, on a journey impossible to accomplish alone."

Thank you for the reminder. I needed it.

John Rufo's avatar

Thank you as well, Leanna. David Whyte's "Consolations" is on my bookshelf, but I need to move it to the nightstand to facilitate a littler refresher as wintering settles in.

Jenny Noble Anderson's avatar

I relate to this and appreciate your honesty!